一Ｏ一年二月八號，學校安排了一場特別的開學講座：邀請王文華老師來和我們談樂齡服務──用創意與家中長輩同樂。老師至會場時，講座尚未開始，便自在地靠在一旁的牆上聆聽，看來十分親切溫和。開講後，老師熱情活潑的話語及和同學間頻繁的互動，馬上顛覆了我們印象中浪漫、時而嘲諷的愛情詩人之形象。老師更用心地從實驗中學的特色出發、為例，帶給大家一場精采且發人深省的講座。

在講座和簽書會結束後，有幸能和老師進行訪談。我們從實中學生的角度提出了一些問題，在此將問題及老師的回答整理合併成以下方式，為大家呈現王文華老師身具魅力的訪談內容與風采。

Q.老師您對於實中同學的印象如何呢？實驗中學有許多特色：例如男女合校、班級數和總人數皆少，以及可自由穿著便服來上學等，對於這幾點有什麼看法呢？

A.呵呵，我非常贊成男女合校！我高中（建中）根本沒有，所以我同意！在高中時，就讓大家正常的互動，培養起大家對彼此的認識和尊重，性別之間的尊重是很重要的！不用穿制服，也很棒啊！讓大家有創意，像今天你（盤盤）披的這個披巾。人少，大家能比較深刻地互動，會讓彼此的關係變得比較深入。這些特色都應該好好珍惜。可以跟別的學校的同學交流一下，你就會發現，我們學校跟他們有這麼多不同！有不同的地方是我們的福氣，去惜福，因為常常待久了之後就覺得這一切都是理所當然的。

Q.老師高中畢業後就讀台大歷史，而後轉至台大外文，畢業後又到史丹佛攻讀MBA，為什麼會作這樣的選擇呢？老師在高中時有沒有夢想？身處其中，對台灣的教育又有什麼看法？

A.我在高中時就知道自己對文學有興趣，但跟你們一樣，從小總根據父母、社會、老師的期待，縱使對自己有瞭解，程度也有限。等我上了大學開始念文學，才發現自己對文學、創作有興趣；後來又跑去念商，探索自己另外一面。我覺得，尋找自己是一個過程，你們現在都還在過程上，就慢慢地探索；太早就知道自己要幹什麼，反而也不好！適度的糊塗是好的，因為糊塗，你才會有探索的動力。
高中時我也有夢想，因為對文學有興趣所以也想寫作、出書，不過那時是很模糊的夢想，直到一步一步慢慢實現的過程才知道有多困難。但是，去實現的過程是很甜蜜的。
至於整個教育制度，大概是我沒辦法評論、改變的，我們能做的是勤於「自我教育」：既然在制度之中，就不要有任何的抱怨；選擇在台灣唸書，就該想我們能做什麼事來教育自己。像我送《賈伯斯傳》給同學，學校不會教，但是若願意把書打開，你的視野、格局、思考，就不一樣。把時間和熱情放在自我教育上，再配合整個國家給的安排，應該就是一個好的結局，我就是這樣！在台灣唸書，一路沒有抱怨，我把握制度所給的好，但同時也很努力地去追求自己的東西。

Q.老師樂觀的個性和人生觀是如何培養的？支持、投入公益活動背後，是什麼樣的核心價值支持著老師？

A.個性，一方面是基因嘛！另外也因為我去過很多地方：當世界很小的時候，碰到挫折時你不曉得外面的世界有多大、不曉得還有什麼出路，也沒有什麼比較的人或事，所以就覺得自己好慘，落入絕望的深淵；當你的世界很大的時候，你會發覺有人比我們更辛苦，而更惜福。所以我鼓勵同學：「拓展你的世界！」不只是實體、也包括虛擬的世界：讀了書、認識了人，這些都是世界！當你的世界越大，就會比較樂觀。
至於投入公益，我認為任何事情的源頭都是一個信念。因為你相信，你愛這個人，所以為他做很多事；因為你相信，環保對這個世界是好的，而願意去做更多事情。一開始可能只是有一個信念，接下來就會有熱情，那第三個步驟就是行動了，不管是唸書、追女朋友、競選、升大學，都是這三個步驟：信念、熱情、行動，缺一不可。對我來講，就是這三樣東西指引著我做很多事情。我也希望把這個架構獻給所有的同學，不管在求學路上或進入社會，可以問自己有沒有這三樣東西。

Q.老師近來多推廣公益活動，或像講座提到的樂齡服務等社會關懷，在推動的過程中有沒有碰到什麼挫折呢？

A.任何事都會碰到挫折。從你考試、到推廣樂活。很多人會往負面看，比如說：我在用環保杯，別人還在用紙杯！可是我覺得不要因為那些負面的狀況，而影響到你的意願或是熱情。永遠要想，有更多的人，因為你的推廣而改變他們的行為。我從來不會說任何事情是沒有用的，今天來這裡，接觸到大概五百位同學。我覺得有用啊！因為你不曉得將來，這些同學會變成誰。也許有人（指向Vivian）會當總統啊！當她變成那個地位之後，能給這個世界帶來改變是無法想像的；縱使她「不變成什麼」，只是一個平凡的媽媽，她也會用不一樣的方式來照顧孩子，也許我們這個世代沒有辦法改變，但是五個世代之後，就更美好！也許沒辦法立刻改變他們的想法，但是可以讓他們開始思考。這就是我們今天做的事情：讓他們開始想！我們不敢說改變了誰，很多同學回去還是不跟阿公阿嬤說話… …都沒有關係！重要的是，如果有了今天下午，使得這些同學，已經跟昨天有點不一樣、一點點不一樣，那今天在這裡就沒有白費。我想我會繼續用我的寫作，來傳播這個概念；另外我成立了一個「夢想學校」，你們可以上網去看一看。

最後我們就講座內容向老師提問：

學生：老師剛剛有給我們看老人家跳啦啦隊的影片，那老師覺得自己年紀大的時候也會去跳嗎？

王文華老師：我說我不用老了才跳… …我現在就跳！

學生：不是不是，就是要年紀夠大，才會感受到『肉體已經跟不上，但心裡還是想參一腳』。到了那種狀態時，還會不會繼續？

王文華老師：我覺得都不要講到那麼老！（叩桌子三下）生命就是現在。很多人都說：『我退休之後再做公益』、『我退休之後再去環遊世界』、『我退休之後再去實現夢想』… …不要這樣想。第一個，你可能活不到退休之後；第二個，人生就是現在，你所有想做的事情：現在去做！對你們來講可能並非如此，因為你們還有別的責任，你們要唸書、要升學，但是至少可以「局部」地去完成你的夢想：我高中的時候也要考大學啊！我就開始編校刊，局部地完成寫作的夢想。不要給自己太多的藉口，也不要有任何的埋怨，我，我們，活在一個天下太平的時代，把握它。

訪談的最後，老師起身，轉頭望見校長室裡整牆的世界地圖，輕叩了幾下。「注意喔，你看，我剛剛還沒注意到這個！這就是你們的世界，希望下次再見到你們的時候，你們已經去了這些地方！」

On February 8, NEHS was honored to invite Teacher Wen-Hua Wang as a speaker on elderly service, which involved participating in creative and fun activities with elders. Before Teacher Wang started his presentation, we found him leaning against the wall, looking very friendly and cheerful. The frequent interaction and vivid conversation with his audience during his speech immediately overturned the stereotype of the romantic yet sometimes mocking image of the poet. Wang began with talking about several characteristics of our school, giving the audience a brilliant and thoughtful lecture.

After the presentation and book signing, we had the honor to personally interview Teacher Wang. We asked several questions from the student’s perspective. The following is the Q&A of the interview.

Q. Teacher Wang, what is your first impression of the students here? What is your opinion of co-ed schooling, small classes, and the casual attire?

A: Haha, I strongly agree with the idea of learning in a co-ed environment, my high school (Jianguo) is a boys’ school. I believe that students should have normal interaction with the opposite gender because that way they will learn to respect each other. It is great that students are not required to wear uniforms so that everyone can be creative. (Points at the student who is wearing a scarf). The connection between students will be stronger and deeper in a small school. These characteristics should be appreciated. When you meet with people from different schools, you will realize how unique you are. It is our fortune to have differences because after awhile we will get used to it.

Q: Teacher Wang went to National Taiwan University and changed his major from history to foreign language. Then he went to study MBA in graduate school. (To Teacher Wang) Why did you choose to do those things? Have you ever had a dream in high school? What is your opinion on Taiwan’s educational system?

A. I knew that I was interested in literature when I was still a high school student. And like you, there are definitely some expectations from your parents, society, and teachers. I didn’t know that I wanted to study literature until I entered college. I tried different majors just to explore different parts of myself. It is actually better to not know what you want to do this early because with some uncertainties, you will feel driven to explore yourself. In high school, I had a dream of writing articles and novels. But it was not until I tried to accomplish it step by step that I learned how hard it is. However, the process of making my dreams come true was very sweet.
As for the whole educational system, this is something that I can’t change or comment on, what we can do is to educate ourselves. Because we received our education in Taiwan, we have to think about ways that we can educate ourselves. Like the book on Steve Jobs I gifted that student during the presentation, there are things inside the book that schools don’t teach, but if you are willing to open the book and read it, your perspectives and thinking will be different. One piece of advice: dedicate your time and passion to self-education...along with the country’s arrangements for education, the combination should make a good ending. And this is exactly how I came through. I studied in Taiwan without any complaint, I held onto the things the system provided me, and I tried super hard to pursue my own goals at the same time.

At the end of the interview, Teacher Wang stood up and knocked a few times on the world map that hung on the wall and remarked, “I did not notice this hanging here until now. Next time when I see you, I hope that you will have visited many places on this map.”